Fur, Nothing you have seen before - Liz Smith Options

[laeta]

Okay... knowing almost nothing about the film industry, I have to ask a really stupid question. Is this something that will be in major theatres or am I going to have to go to the place downtown that shows the indie and not-so-mainstream stuff to see it... because I will see it... I'm rather intrigued.

[RedSatinDoll]

That's what I've been saying all along .  It was as if they just realised that she has actually been doing great work in years and should be patted on the back so they decided to do it in 2002 and 2003, they've forgotten her again, they will be back in awhile to hype her to the high heavens soon *sigh*.

Although whether she gets another Oscar is another matter; I think it is possible to be "too rich or too thin" metaphorically speaking, or too successful, or too old (when was the last time an actress over 40 won best actress? Nicole's a year away from that) at least as far as the Academy is concerned.

[skankyoldwhore]

Okay... knowing almost nothing about the film industry, I have to ask a really stupid question.  Is this something that will be in major theatres or am I going to have to go to the place downtown that shows the indie and not-so-mainstream stuff to see it... because I will see it... I'm rather intrigued.

It will be released in limited -mid range theatres and then perhaps in more theatres if the buzz is good, reviews are good and people seem to go and see it. It will depend very much on the initial BO and accessibility, I think. Dogville was very limited (3 hours long, very hard movie to watch), Birth was mid range (a little more accessible than Dogville but still tough for mainstream audience), it will depend on how accessible the movie is to the audience.

[skankyoldwhore]

Although whether she gets another Oscar is another matter; I think it is possible to be "too rich or too thin" metaphorically speaking, or too successful, or too old (when was the last time an actress over 40 won best actress?  Nicole's a year away from that) at least as far as the Academy is concerned.

You are telling me .
People say AMPAS loves her because she was nomed 2ce, she should be more than a double nominee, she should have gotten 2 if not 3 noms in the 90s for TDF, PoaL and EWS, if Laura Linney or Julianne Moore had been the actresses that played Alice in EWS, they would have been nominated. If it was Winslet in PoaL, she would have been nomed, they just decided not to give her any kudos.

People talked about her and Dogville for over 2 years even after Oscars came and went, people are still talking about that opera scene in Birth, that alone is enough for a nom.

Even the Independent Spirit Award don't care much for her work, it seem. Dogville and Birth seemed to have escaped them.

This is not about spreading wealth, it is about not giving someone her due in a specific year.

The same thing is happening to Blanchette who is always overwhelmingly praised for her work but come award season and they just forget her.

So, when I read people stating that AMPAS loves NK and that she is sure to be nominated, I tell them, "we'll see."

This post has been edited by skankyoldwhore: Jul 1 2006, 05:28 AM

[archer]

if Laura Linney or Julianne Moore had been the actresses that played Alice in EWS, they would have been nominated.

Why not ? but only a nominee because it seems their destiny for the AMPAS !

If it was Winslet in PoaL, she would have been nomed.

May be… but only a nominee because it also seems her destiny for the AMPAS !

[skankyoldwhore]

That's what I'm sayingl, archer .

This post has been edited by skankyoldwhore: Jul 1 2006, 06:01 AM

[Kristen]

Thanks for the Geat news I cannot wait until this amazing movie comes out!!!

[kiki]

i really wonder why she's not getting enough love from the ampas or the sag awards or the critics choice and even the independent spirit awards. she's been doing mainstream and indies for quite a while now and absolutely deserves recognition. in fact, last night i was reading an article where charlize theron was given a special award for the films that she made (indies were mentioned especially monster, a movie which i personally think is waay overrated. as a whole, it wasn't great and charlize's performance was superb but less believable than naomi watts in 21 grams in my personal opinion). shouldn't nicole have gotten that? here she is with a handful of indie films that were extremely challenging and they give that special award to someone who did one indie film that was given all the hype. frankly, i've gotten tired of these award shows. i'm looking forward to fur and i absolutely trust nic's performance. unfortunately, i can't say the same from those award giving bodies.

[NicoleFan17]

Well when it comes to the critics choice, she has done pretty good there. They even nominated her for Cold Mountain(as we all know, the Academy snubbed her).

And to tell you guys the truth, I honestly never get why people are so shocked to see that she didn't get nominated for Dogville or Birth(even though she is amazing in both). The subject matter in both are both considered taboo(a film that is widely seen as anti-american, and a movie which involves a love story with a young boy). The Academy has opened up a wee bit(they are more open to gay-friendly films such as Brokeback Mountain) but there are still some things that the Academy remain too stiff and boring on.

And regarding Fur, I honestly think she's getting nominated seeing as the subject matter is not as hard to swallow(and it's a biopic for christ's sake...baity as you can get). And regarding her 'age' I see why some think that there is a new wave of 'younger' people winning and such but the actresses who are said to have lost because of their 'age' are all over 45(at least in the lead actress cat. in the last few years when the 'younger' crowd started showing up) so seeing as Kidman is only 39, I honestly don't see it as that much of a stretch for her winning again. People like Jessica Lange, and(I may well be wrong on this) Meryl Streep won their 2nd oscars either in their early 40's or late 30's. It's not impossible or anything, lol.

[skankyoldwhore]

Nicolefan17, Fur is not a biopic, it is an imaginary tale on Diane Arbus, it is not telling the whole story of Diane Arbus per se, they've created a whole other dimension to it. And from all that has been written about it, it seems to be more similar to her more quirky and darker work than traditional biopics, people who have seen it consider it to be something AMPAS doesn't usually go for.

[NicoleFan17]

Nicolefan17, Fur is not a biopic, it is an imaginary tale on Diane Arbus, it is not telling the whole story of Diane Arbus per se, they've created a whole other dimension to it.  And from all that has been written about it, it seems to be more similar to her more quirky and darker work than traditional biopics, people who have seen it consider it to be something AMPAS doesn't usually go for.

Oh I know that, it may be an unconventional biopic but does it still not have the real person aspect to it? And if the subject matter isn't considered taboo, the academy HAS given some big cat. nominations to films, if they are actually good(which Fur looks like it's going to be), just look at Being John Malkovich(it got into some big cat. despite being considered 'odd') and Mullholand Dr.(hardly any big precursor love and it still got a Best Director nomination). It may be likely that Fur isn't getting like a BP nomination or anything, but it has a HUGE chance to get into acting and screenplay cat.

[RedSatinDoll]

i really wonder why she's not getting enough love from the ampas or the sag awards or the critics choice and even the independent spirit awards. she's been doing mainstream and indies for quite a while now and absolutely deserves recognition. in fact, last night i was reading an article where charlize theron was given a special award for the films that she made (indies were mentioned especially monster, a movie which i personally think is waay overrated. as a whole, it wasn't great and charlize's performance was superb but less believable than naomi watts in 21 grams in my personal opinion). shouldn't nicole have gotten that? here she is with a handful of indie films that were extremely challenging and they give that special award to someone who did one indie film that was given all the hype. frankly, i've gotten tired of these award shows. i'm looking forward to fur and i absolutely trust nic's performance. unfortunately, i can't say the same from those award giving bodies.

With the independent spirit awards, I think Nicole's - I'll say it frankly - wealth and financial success, and her red-carpet image work against her. She's not hungry, she's not suffering or scratching. Then again, neither is charlize theron as far as I can see (although she has the hard-knock-life background on her side, the missing father, the farming in the mud in South Africa...irresistible stuff I'm sure to a certain mindset, or at least mitigates the fact that she looks stunning in a frock.)

[archer]

With the independent spirit awards, I think Nicole's - I'll say it frankly - wealth and financial success, and her red-carpet image work against her.  She's not hungry, she's not suffering or scratching.  Then again, neither is charlize theron as far as I can see

I don’t know about that, actors like Julianne Moore, Frances Mc Dormand, Bill Muray, Sean Penn, Javier Bardem, Hilary Swank, Robert Duvall, Denis Quaid, Jeff Bridges, Matt Dillon, Sissy Spacek, Julie Christie, Morgan Freeman, Samuel L. Jackson, Zhang Ziyi, Judy Davis and so on,
are they hungry, suffering or scratching… ?
May be not the same red carpet image, and not the same financial success…

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[kiki]

i agree red. i think she's deemed too untouchable by the ampas and too big of a star by the independent spirit. ugh! whatever. all i know is that she's already on her way to being a legend and no scandal to establish that one! can i also point out how when i look at charlize, she seems to do what nic's done before. i'm not saying she's downright copying her and i definitely think she's a good actress but when i look at her on the red carpet and her film and commercial choices (costume institute gala after oscar win, cure for aids, dior commercial), she seems to be pitted against nicole. i don't think i have to say which side i'm on. they're great actresses who are scandal free but i nicole.

[skankyoldwhore]

i agree red. i think she's deemed too untouchable by the ampas and too big of a star by the independent spirit. ugh!

That's pretty much it!

[anna16profiler]

Wow what a exciting debate we have here!!!

So i would like to say a little bit myself:
I personally totally agree that it wasn´t really surprising that the Academy didn´t nominate her for Dogville and Birth because of obvious reasons.
And it does disturb me. I think it doesn´t matter if the movie is a bit too daring and crazy or Nicole is a bit too rich and famous, she should be acknowledged for her work anyway.
She definitley deserves it and for art´s sake, people should see her performance and not all the fuss around.

And about Charlize. I do think she is a very talented actress, but I think she fits the whole hollywood bill a lot better which is why she´s more pushed!!

I just hope Fur and other great movies of her coming up won´t be ignored and acknowqledged as much as they deserve it.

[archer]

Absolutely !
From anna16profile's fingertips to audience's ear…

Let’s go to the theatre (cinema) !

[gracie]

What about the chances of Nicole in Fur for a Golden Globe and other film festival awards? (Just wondering...)

[skankyoldwhore]

NK has never had any problems with the Golden Globes, if her performance is critically acclaimed, she will be nominated. Despite outstanding critical acclaim at various festivals, she has only won once at Berlin so I won't put too much thought into her winning.

[kiki]

NK has never had any problems with the Golden Globes, if her performance is critically acclaimed, she will be nominated.  Despite outstanding critical acclaim at various festivals, she has only won once at Berlin so I won't put too much thought into her winning.

absolutely! i really don't get it but i trust nicole.