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flamenca1981
Razzie nominations for Bewitched:

Worst Screenplay: Nora Ephron, Delia Ephron, Adam McKay
Worst Director: Nora Ephron
Worst Remake: Sony/Columbia
Worst Actor: Will Ferrel
Worst Screen Couple: Will Ferrel and Nicole Kidman

oops...
Let's hope they don't actually win any :-).

source: http://www.razzies.com
skankyoldwhore
I saw that one coming but disagree with this lol.gif:

Worst Screen Couple: Will Ferrel and Nicole Kidman
flamenca1981
QUOTE(skankyoldwhore @ Jan 30 2006, 02:51 PM)
I saw that one coming lol.gif.
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Lol, yeah, me too. I just kinda hoped Nicole wouldn't be in it ;-). Ah well. What's an actor's life without a Razzie nod lol.gif.
skankyoldwhore
I find it strange that Lopez is listed as a nominee for worst actress, Charlize Theron was 3rd on the nomination poll, Lopez was about 6th so I wonder how Lopez got the slot?
flamenca1981
I've been reading their site a bit, that poll they do on the forum is one everyone can vote in, so that's not necessarily representative for the opinions of the members that pay and get to decide. Maybe those disliked Lopez more...
skankyoldwhore
QUOTE(flamenca1981 @ Jan 30 2006, 11:58 PM)
I've been reading their site a bit, that poll they do on the forum is one everyone can vote in, so that's not necessarily representative for the opinions of the members that pay and get to decide. Maybe those disliked Lopez more...
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Poor Lopez.
ilovemoulinrouge
oh dear...poor bewitched! sob.gif sob.gif sob.gif
luis
I hope they don't win any of them!
NMK612
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
nathi
I think Razzie is funny. lol.gif
I don't think Nicole and Will will win it - I hope not.
and Bewitched is not that bad!

Does anybody know if Nicole has ever got a Razzie Nomination for Worst Actress?
flamenca1981
QUOTE(nathalia @ Jan 30 2006, 10:22 PM)
Does anybody know if Nicole has ever got an Razzie Nomination for Worst Actress?
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Nope, I think she was rumoured to get one for TSW (thank god there was Catwoman and other bad movies), but she was never actually nominated. This will be her first razzie nod.
scootyscoot4
Nicole isn't actually nominated for talent, it's just standard really in the Razzie for a bad movie to get a worst couple nod!

Scott happy.gif
flamenca1981
QUOTE(scootyscoot4 @ Jan 30 2006, 10:38 PM)
Nicole isn't actually nominated for talent, it's just standard really in the Razzie for a bad movie to get a worst couple nod!

Scott  happy.gif
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I know, but it'll still appear on her "award" page on imdb, that's what I meant.
SatineKidman
Aww Flamenca, sad thing for Bewitched but Nicole was spared! phew. I would've been mad if she had been nominated for Worst Actress.
As for the mention of it at imdb, let's look at it as another award and just that -probably not easy to do-
LOL

Luv,
Marie Xx
skankyoldwhore
I think, Halle Berry by appearing at the awards last year has diminished the ridicule effect that was associated with the Razzies, also by nominating someone like Cruise for WOTW who actually got good reviews for his performance then it seems it isn't all about what is done on screen anymore, actors like Ed Burns, Ben Kingsley (Sound of Thunder) should have taken the slot. Lopez should definitely not have been nominated, Theron with her Aeon Flux should have taken her slot.
polaris
Can I be mean and say that Nora & Delia Ephron and Adam McKay thoroughly deserve the award for worst screenplay ?
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friendlyfox
Why would you need to be mean when they have already been. No need to continue it.

I am not that familiar with this award. I wonder if we should be dignifying it here.

Going on the few posts above it does not seem to be based on anything factual, just whoever they think would be good to have a dig at.

Who draws up the list and who votes?
skankyoldwhore
QUOTE(friendlyfox @ Jan 31 2006, 03:29 PM)
Why would you need to be mean when they have already been. No need to continue it.

I am not that familiar with this award. I wonder if we should be dignifying it here. 

Going on the few posts above it does not seem to be based on anything factual, just whoever they think would be good to have a dig at. 

Who draws up the list and who votes?
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The award is the opposite of the oscars, the award is given to the worst movies, performances, directions, etc. While the oscars award the critically acclaimed movies of the year, the razzies award the worst of the year. This year just seem a little strange
polaris
QUOTE(friendlyfox @ Jan 31 2006, 03:29 PM)
Why would you need to be mean when they have already been. No need to continue it.

I am not that familiar with this award. I wonder if we should be dignifying it here. 

Going on the few posts above it does not seem to be based on anything factual, just whoever they think would be good to have a dig at. 

Who draws up the list and who votes?
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Extract from Wikipedia.com:

The Golden Raspberry Awards or Razzies were created by John Wilson in 1980, intended to complement the Academy Awards by dishonoring the worst acting, screenwriting, songwriting, directing, and films that the film industry had to offer. Current awards are voted upon by the membership of the Golden Raspberry Award Foundation. Traditionally, nominations are announced one day before the Motion Picture Academy announces its Oscar nominations, and the awards are presented one day before the Oscar ceremony.

The term "raspberry" is used in its irreverent sense, as in "blowing a raspberry."


More info here.

It's a joke Foxy, just some people having harmless satirical fun at the expense of shoddy work in Hollywood, one example of which is the screenplay of Bewitched. Not to be taken seriously at all. It doesn't change anything if Nicole Kidman wins a Razzie. Many good actors have received Razzies. But if you wish, I'll stop mentioning it.
friendlyfox
Thanks for the info. I will chase up that link and find out more about who makes the nominations.

I understand they are a joke, but wonder if it is necessary given the bad films have already suffered at the hands of the critics and possibly at the Box Office as well. Guess I feel if a film has flopped, then that is enough humiliation. Bewitched was an easy target after the critics gave it a bad wrap. With saying do not add to them being "mean" it is partly because of this. I can see the press now salivating at writing this about Nicole's film.

Nicole said she was disappointed the film got a bad wrap and finally some members here really enjoyed the film so they see maybe their favourite film given these bad awards and then have members forcefully agree with it. And maybe this was a film you would never have liked no matter what Polaris. I know some members were upset when Nicole took the role in the first place, thinking it was not the sort of role she should be doing and that it was beneath her.

Still the theatre I saw Bewitched was packed and everyone laughed and seemed to enjoy it. I heard this same experience from others who saw the film. The acting seemed reasonable to me (Of course Nicole perfect as always). .. not like some dreadful films I have seen where the acting has been excruciatingly bad.
skankyoldwhore
QUOTE(friendlyfox @ Jan 31 2006, 06:25 PM)
.....not like some dreadful films I have seen where the acting has been excruciatingly bad.
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I've read one or two sites where it's been stated that some of the choices nominated this year make no sense because they were alright but the very bad ones aren't listed at all.
flamenca1981
QUOTE(friendlyfox @ Jan 31 2006, 09:25 AM)
Nicole said she was disappointed the film got a bad wrap and finally some members here really enjoyed the film so they see maybe their favourite film given these bad awards and then have members forcefully agree with it.  And maybe this was a film you would never have liked no matter what Polaris. I know some members were upset when Nicole took the role in the first place, thinking it was not the sort of role she should be doing and that it was beneath her. 
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I think Nicole was alright in this film, though she's done better imo (hence I'm happy she didn't get a worst actress nod). The reason as to why I posted this is because the Razzies are pretty well-known, it's like the official anti-oscar award show.
Palme d' OR
On the bright side, it's not Nicole Kidman's performance that is being nominated, but rather her chemistry with Ferell who was thew weaker link.
polaris
QUOTE(friendlyfox @ Jan 31 2006, 06:25 PM)
Nicole said she was disappointed the film got a bad wrap and finally some members here really enjoyed the film so they see maybe their favourite film given these bad awards and then have members forcefully agree with it.  And maybe this was a film you would never have liked no matter what Polaris. I know some members were upset when Nicole took the role in the first place, thinking it was not the sort of role she should be doing and that it was beneath her. 


Yes, you have a point there Foxy. I probably wouldn't have liked the film even if Peter Jackson had directed it. But I might have found it less excruciating had the screenplay abandoned the idea of a real witch who plays the role of Samantha. For me, that killed the film. You will note that I am not dissing the direction, or the acting, or the screen pairing. Those were fine. I am categorically dissing the screenplay and questioning the intelligence of Nora and Delia Ephron. Lest it appear that I am rabidly against Bewitched, let me say very clearly that I am not. I don't care for it too much, but I am sad that NK and Michael Caine chose to be associated with a script that was so obviously inane.

To tell you the truth, I don't think it would have gotten a Razzie nomination if Nicole played the real Samantha, and Will Ferrell played the real Darrin. However, that is speculation and there is no need to discuss it.

You also make a good point about "humiliating" a film. True, that is what a Razzie does. But, it has been a while since Bewitched was released. Its theater earnings and DVD sales have long tapered off. So the studio has already earned almost all that it could have. This was a comedy designed to make quick money, and it did that. It was never intended as high art. It was one in a series of films cashing in on successful TV programs. Hence, there is no artistic humiliation involved. NK is a clever enough businesswoman to understand that she made a mistake and she is astute enough to not mention publicly what was wrong about Bewitched. The only option left to her, is to convey a disappointment with the film's critical reception.

This is not at all a statement against Nicole Kidman. But surely, we can criticize her films, can we not? (A lot of us have made similar claims about Far and Away). If some members liked it, then that is their opinion, and all of us respect that. But if we cannot discuss the relative merits and demerits of a Nicole Kidman film, then what *can* we discuss?
skankyoldwhore
Far and Away *shudder*.
SatineKidman
I 'agree' with some of the things that have been said here because I can't take a true position in this. I haven't seen neither bad nor good movies to be able to talk about this properly. But I'm sure that many many other movies did worse than Bewitched.

It's all so biased... grr

Marie Xx
flamenca1981
QUOTE(SatineKidman @ Jan 31 2006, 03:16 PM)
It's all so biased... grr

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Of course it is. I didn't like Bewitched, but I'm quite convinced that if Nicole/Shirley weren't in it, there wouldn't be so much attention for it. A great tree attracts the wind, no? There's possibly a thousand worse films, they're just not known by the general public.
Then again, it's the same for "positive" awards, I think. Undoubtedly there's better films than the ones they nominate, but with less promo or whatever that keeps them hidden.
SatineKidman
QUOTE(flamenca1981 @ Jan 31 2006, 10:26 AM)
Of course it is. I didn't like Bewitched, but I'm quite convinced that if Nicole/Shirley weren't in it, there wouldn't be so much attention for it. A great tree attracts the wind, no? There's possibly a thousand worse films, they're just not known by the general public.
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Ditto Flamenca. It looks like it drew more attention to the people choosing the nominees. But oh well, this conversation has turned a little bit silly for me. The razzies are known, that I know...but there's no use to spend too much time on this. Many people know it's all very much unfounded.

Xx
friendlyfox
QUOTE(Palme d' OR @ Jan 31 2006, 07:02 PM)
On the bright side...
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Someone after my own heart!

QUOTE(polaris @ Jan 31 2006, 07:33 PM)
Yes, you have a point there Foxy. I probably wouldn't have liked the film even if Peter Jackson had directed it. But I might have found it less excruciating had the screenplay abandoned the idea of a real witch who plays the role of Samantha. For me, that killed the film. You will note that I am not dissing the direction, or the acting, or the screen pairing. Those were fine. I am categorically dissing the screenplay and questioning the intelligence of Nora and Delia Ephron. Lest it appear that I am rabidly against Bewitched, let me say very clearly that I am not. I don't care for it too much, but I am sad that NK and Michael Caine chose to be associated with a script that was so obviously inane.

To tell you the truth, I don't think it would have gotten a Razzie nomination if Nicole played the real Samantha, and Will Ferrell played the real Darrin. However, that is speculation and there is no need to discuss it.

You also make a good point about "humiliating" a film. True, that is what a Razzie does. But,  it has been a while since Bewitched was released. Its theater earnings and DVD sales have long tapered off. So the studio has already earned almost all that it could have. This was a comedy designed to make quick money, and it did that. It was never intended as high art. It was one in a series of films cashing in on successful TV programs. Hence, there is no artistic humiliation involved. NK is a clever enough businesswoman to understand that she made a mistake and she is astute enough to not mention publicly what was wrong about Bewitched. The only option left to her, is to convey a disappointment with the film's critical reception.

This is not at all a statement against Nicole Kidman. But surely, we can criticize her films, can we not? (A lot of us have made similar claims about Far and Away). If some members liked it, then that is their opinion, and all of us respect that. But if we cannot discuss the relative merits and demerits of a Nicole Kidman film, then what *can* we discuss?
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LOL...what indeed can we discuss if not films as everything else is not allowed..polls, non-film photos. (I am teasing).

Yes we can discuss the merits of Nicole's films. My feeling is when expressing a negative opinion it needs to be done in a non-aggressive manner. Not just a bald statement but with considered discussion to validate why you are taking the negative opinion. You used the word discussed above but you did not discuss.

For myself, I agree it is not a good remake. It was not a remake in the end, more a film that had a witch in it and had the film Bewitched as part of the story. It therefore needed a different name and to me it would have been better without any Bewitched references at all.

My other problem was it needed more magic dust. . In fact i was expecting to see a fluff film with lots of fluff whereas it was a fluff film with not enough fluff lol.gif

Too, the studio was not sure of the audience it wanted to aim at. Thus a lot of children and their parents thought it was aimed at them, but it ended up in Australia being recommended for children over 13 because of the tiny bit of adult material in it. Why have that tiny bit of adult material in at all. As far as I know the original TV series was truly general exhibition rating.

I disagree about Nicole not thinking Bewitched was OK. She was quite happy to say she thought Stepford Wives was a mistake. With Bewitched she made a point of saying she was disappointed by the critics as she thought the film was OK. I can see Nicole not panning a film she is in, but I cannot see her going out of her way to bemoan the critics if she secretly agreed with them.
flafims
I really hope she doesn't win this one!! praying.gif
I actually like Bewitched and I can't see anything wrong with it, specially with Nic's performance... looking.gif
Anyway, maybe they just want her to be mentioned in some awards this year... but that won't change the fact that Nic's a recognized talented actress!!! happy.gif

But I have to say... I've seen worse movies this year!!! tongue.gif
polaris
QUOTE(friendlyfox @ Feb 1 2006, 12:47 PM)
LOL...what indeed can we discuss if not films as everything else is not allowed..polls, non-film photos.  (I am teasing).

I'm not sure if it is my place to say what I think about that. We will let that pass. coffee2.gif
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Yes we can discuss the merits of Nicole's films.  My feeling is when expressing a negative opinion it needs to be done in a non-aggressive manner. Not just a bald statement but with considered discussion to validate why you are taking the negative opinion. You used the word discussed above but you did not discuss. 

Alright. Next time, I will "discuss" from the get-go. The reason I put a one-liner in my first post was that it was meant to be funny and trivial. Evidently, it was neither, and touched a few raw nerves. That is when I thought of elaborating. I do think that my larger post qualifies as a discussion.

As fiafims' post indicates, members who liked Bewitched will continue to do so irrespective of what some delinquent posters like Polaris think about it. Thus, there is no need to worry. Those members who are on the fence might tilt either way; that might not be such a bad thing.
frozenjourney
The good about the razzies is that good actors take it with humour, as Halle Berry did, or, many years before, Natalie Wood, who winned some razzies, and was the only personality that every year that winned one went to receive it, and thanked politely --that ´s the spirit of it.
And about the nominations of Nicole and Will, well, the fact is that Will is not a good partner for Nicole. Perhaps with another actor in the film, there was´nt the nomination
(and yes, poor Jennyfer Lopez, I liked her, and is a very correct actress. I think that the Aeon Flux, of what it is, deverses more)
iluffnicole
i didnt think it was a bad film at all!!!! it was really cute!!! haha, nicole and will!!! i thought they were the cutest role for the Bewitced couple... aawww and nic wanted to do series on this film... but obviously seems that the critics didnt like it much either and were rating it a C+ sob.gif
Bewitching
i loved beatingheart.gif bewitched! beatingheart.gif and i find it very sad that people have nothing better to do, then make an award show for the 'worst' things produced in the arts...
SatineKidman
QUOTE(frozenjourney @ Feb 4 2006, 01:03 PM)
The good about the razzies is that good actors take it with humour, as Halle Berry did, or, many years before, Natalie Wood, who winned some razzies, and was the only personality that every year that winned one went to receive it, and thanked politely --that ´s the spirit of it.
And about the nominations of Nicole and Will, well, the fact is that Will is not a good partner for Nicole. Perhaps with another actor in the film, there was´nt the nomination
(and yes, poor Jennyfer Lopez, I liked her, and is a very correct actress. I think that the Aeon Flux, of what it is, deverses more)
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A very mature way to look at the Razzie awards, definitely.
elegant_fan
well @ least nicole didnt get Worst Actress: Nicole Kidman! that would be awful!!!!!!!!!!!!

but I totally disagree with the "razzies"
Kaleigh
In any case.. razzie or not.. I enjoyed this movie. It was the best summer movie happy.gif
flamenca1981
QUOTE(frozenjourney @ Feb 4 2006, 06:03 PM)
The good about the razzies is that good actors take it with humour, as Halle Berry did, or, many years before, Natalie Wood, who winned some razzies, and was the only personality that every year that winned one went to receive it, and thanked politely --that´s the spirit of it.
And about the nominations of Nicole and Will, well, the fact is that Will is not a good partner for Nicole. Perhaps with another actor in the film, there was´nt the nomination
(and yes, poor Jennyfer Lopez, I liked her, and is a very correct actress. I think that the Aeon Flux, of what it is, deverses more)
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I don't think Jennifer deserves one either. But I can't find information on Natalie Wood winning any Razzies, esp since the razzies exist for 26 years now, and Natalie died 25 years ago (unfortunately, such a great actress :-().
Oh and razzies should not be taken too seriously I think ;-).
becca7840977
I really liked Bewitched. I thought it was really cute. I think it's just hard to make a movie from any successful TV show and have it live up to the show. I thought this was one of the better ones though.
nicole patterson_92
I beatingheart.gif loved beatingheart.gif Bewitched!
I thought that it was a cute film! sob.gif I think that they won't win any Razzie!
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frozenjourney
About my comentary on Natalie Wood beatingheart.gif and the razzies:

Perhaps what Natalie won was an equivalent of razzies, because the story of her going to recieve the "awards" was told by a serius personality in films-criticism, and as a good spirit from Natalie, signalign that she was the only one in story going to the ceremony, and not only one time.
Perhaps was an error, but I remember this story because I also love very much that actress, sadly lost for us so many years ago heartpink.gif
maggie_QT_17
QUOTE(frozenjourney @ Feb 8 2006, 11:14 AM)
About my comentary on Natalie Wood  beatingheart.gif  and the razzies:

Perhaps what Natalie won was an equivalent of razzies, because the story of her going to recieve the "awards" was told by a serius personality in films-criticism, and as a good spirit from Natalie, signalign that she was the only one in story going to the ceremony, and not only one time.
Perhaps was an error, but I remember this story because I also love very much that actress, sadly lost for us so many years ago heartpink.gif
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i actually enjoyed bewitched. it was a fun film to watch, even if it didn't go double platinum at the box office. so what! extra cash at the box office doesn't always determine whether a film is good or not! people have different tastes and i just happen to be one of those who liked it!
frozenjourney
You are right.
When Catwoman was awarded with a lot of razzies, I don´t give much notoriety, because I love Catwoman, and Halle Berry, and cats and... well, I like Catwoman.
So, if you like a movie, it doesn´t mind how razzies it have got.
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